--- Log opened Di Apr 11 18:01:21 2006
18:01 <skh> Welcome to the informal LinuxTag 2006 preparation meeting.
18:01 <skh> Some technicalities:
18:01 <skh> As this will probably a short meeting we'll try to have it informal and unmoderated.
18:02 <skh> If the experiment fails, henne will take over moderation as usual.
18:02 <skh> We have 4 agenda items:
18:02 <skh> - overview over current planning status from SUSE staff
18:03 <skh> - possible / desired involvement of YOU, our non-SUSE members at the booth
18:03 <skh> - possible / desired involvement of YOU, our non-SUSE members at the conference
18:03 <skh> - do we want a social event, and if yes, when?
18:03 <skh> Are there any more agenda items?
18:03 <henne> skh: i have a late submission
18:03 <skh> henne: please.
18:03 <henne> - what will we show at the booth?
18:04 <skh> ok, so that's best as number 3 I think.
18:04 <skh> anything else?
18:04 <skh> (any volunteer for minutes?)
18:05 * henne throws benJIman in the middle
18:05 <skh> well.
18:05 <henne> nevermind. i do them from the log
18:05 <skh> henne: thanks.
18:05 <skh> 1. short overview over current planning status.
18:05 <skh> cthiel, are you here?
18:05 <cthiel> skh: partly...
18:06 <cthiel> skh: I'm testing 912 in parallel -- it looks quite promissing for RC1 ;)
18:06 <cthiel> skh: so, on topic:
18:07 <cthiel> at the moment it looks like we will have some 10-12 SUSE people at LinuxTag, including HR (human resources) folks
18:07 <henne> question
18:07 <cthiel> we are still waiting for budget approval, which is expected for tomorrow.
18:07 <cthiel> henne: go ahead
18:07 <henne> HR folks?
18:08 <skh> henne: at the booth, if people ask for jobs, internships etc.
18:08 <cthiel> henne: np & ufriedrich
18:08 @<henne> ah cool!
18:08 <skh> cthiel: all 4 days?
18:08 <cthiel> skh: no, only on... ähhh... let me check
18:09 <cthiel> skh: only on Thursday and Friday.
18:09 <skh> we should announce this on the mailing lists (maybe also on suse-linux)
18:09 @<henne> we should announce that on the wiki
18:09 <skh> and there.
18:09 * henne shuts up :)
18:09 <Nix> I will be speaking at the GUUG telephony conference prior to LinuxTag (which includes a free LinuxTag pass) so I plan
to stay for the whole show.. Is there anything I can do to help?
18:09 <skh> in case prospective colleagues want to show up.
18:09 @<henne> Nix: wait for topic 2 :)
18:10 @<henne> so who will do that announcement?
18:10 <skh> I ask Nadine if she wants to do it
18:10 <cthiel> henne: we will need a general announcement -- i think skh and I can take care of that
18:10 <skh> and do it myself if she doesn't
18:10 <skh> AI skh: prepare announcement(s)
18:10 @<henne> Action Item skh: prepare general and HR specific announcement for the wiki/lists
18:11 <skh> cthiel: go on.
18:11 <cthiel> skh: mh, what else do you want to hear?
18:11 <skh> ok.
18:11 <skh> our program is online at http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/besucher/programm/freies-vortragsprogramm/donnerstag.html
18:12 <cthiel> skh: most of the people will only stay for 2-3 days -- Thursday (that's the openSUSE day) will of course be the most crowded one.
18:12 <skh> (we'll get back to the conference in topic 4)
18:12 <cthiel> skh: that's it from my side at the moment.
18:12 <adrianS> skh: do we have a prominent link from www.opensuse.org to that ?
18:12 <skh> all suse people: please check that your abstracts and bios are entered and up to date
18:12 <marccollin> somebody have a good source to update suse with smart?
18:12 <skh> adrianS: in events I think, on the homepage.
18:12 <marccollin> i tried: http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source but i get ofter package not exist.......
18:13 <skh> marccollin: we're in a meeting, could you try again in about an hour?
18:13 <marccollin> ok not problem
18:13 <skh> AI adrianS: check if the link on the homepage is ok or improve it?
18:14 * Nix is back
18:14 <skh> any questions regarding this topic?
18:14 <bill-barriere> just a quick note if i go to the english version of the page you linked about the event most of it is still in german ;)
18:15 <cboltz> BTW: skh, the "prepare announcement" AI is #165281 ;-)
18:15 <skh> bill-barriere: the linuxtag.org page? this is beyond our control
18:16 <bill-barriere> ok
18:16 <skh> ok, next topic.
18:16 <skh> community involvement at the booth.
18:16 <[daemon]> cu later
18:16 <skh> First, our booth is not in the .org area, but in the "normal" exhibition.
18:17 @<Beineri> see http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/fileadmin/linuxtag/images/Messeplan-Ausstellung-highres.jpg
18:17 <skh> Due to our hybrid status of company/open source project
18:17 <skh> We will have three counters: opensuse.org, SUSE Linux, and enterprise products.
18:18 @<henne> counters means one desk with one computer?
18:18 <skh> Yes.
18:18 @<Beineri> can we choose at what side of the booth the counters will be? ;-)
18:18 <skh> Beineri: cthiel is in contact with the Novell guy organising the booth
18:19 @<henne> do we have to man the enterprise counter?
18:19 @<henne> no or?
18:19 <cthiel> Beineri: we will figure it out...
18:19 <cthiel> henne: no
18:19 <cthiel> henne: we don't
18:19 <skh> For the opensuse counter we would be happy if openSUSE project members would show up and answer questions.
18:19 <adrianS> henne: no, that should be done by some Novell-Duesseldorf guy
18:19 <skh> Completely voluntarily of course, and we can't pay or sponsor anything.
18:19 @<henne> ok
18:19 <adrianS> Either cthiel or me should be on the booth always
18:19 @<henne> skh: i think for the SL counter too
18:20 <skh> Yes, we will always have people at all counters
18:20 <skh> So, are there volunteers, and how do you like the idea anyway?
18:20 <skh> (discuss)
18:21 @<henne> davew
18:21 @<henne> and Nix
18:21 <schiele> Well, I will be there on Saturday and could be there for some time.
18:21 <Nix> yep. I will show up.
18:21 <cthiel> schiele: great!
18:21 <skh> davew mentioned on the list that he might not make it due to sudden workload
18:21 @<henne> lets get back to him
18:22 @<henne> Nix: for how long would it be possible for you to be there?
18:22 <skh> cthiel: are you organizing booth duty plans again?
18:22 <cthiel> skh: yes
18:22 <skh> cthiel: could we have them on the wiki for internal and external people?
18:22 <Nix> Myself and a few other Australians have a couple of hotel rooms nearby..
18:22 <cthiel> skh: we could do that
18:22 <cboltz> I will come, too - but I don't know on which day(s) yet and I can't promise if I have time for being at the booth.
18:22 <skh> cthiel: AI cthiel...?
18:22 <Nix> we will be there from 29th - 6th
18:22 <cthiel> skh: will do
18:22 <skh> Nix: nice!
18:23 <cthiel> skh: but actually we don't really need the dudy plan, as it worked so well @FOSDEM...
18:23 <Nix> http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/besucher/konferenzen/telephony-summit.html <-- me is speaking...
18:23 <skh> cthiel: do it anyway, so that people know at least who is there on which days
18:23 @<henne> cthiel: with suse employess yes
18:23 <cthiel> skh: alright ;)
18:23 <skh> and that people can sign up.
18:24 <cthiel> AI cthiel: set up dudy plan for LinuxTag
18:24 <skh> and announce on the list and ask for more volunteers. ;-)
18:25 <skh> ok, next topic: what kind of demos will we show at the booths?
18:25 <skh> - build service
18:25 <skh> - cool new 10.1 features
18:25 <skh> - ...
18:25 @<henne> define cool new 10.1 features
18:25 <skh> henne: I hope for input from the 10.1 talk
18:25 <cthiel> henne: mlasars and I have a list of demos that we will do in our talk
18:25 <cboltz> cthiel: your AI is #165288 ;-)
18:26 <cthiel> henne: those are all good for the booth as well -- they include Xen, AppArmor, Xgl, openOffice... and many more ;)
18:26 <cthiel> cboltz: thx
18:26 @<henne> ok
18:26 <skh> - wiki (languages, how to edit, SDB)?
18:26 @<henne> cthiel: can you prepare some material that other people can do them too?
18:26 <cthiel> henne: I'll try to make sure we get decent hardware for the booth tomorrow...
18:26 @<Beineri> will there be banner at the booth explaining what counter will show what?
18:26 <cthiel> henne: maybe ;)
18:27 <Nix> so who should volunteers check in with?
18:27 <jcmasters> gauner?
18:27 @<Beineri> means, will the Novell people have to know what to print?
18:27 @<henne> Nix: the wiki page and/or cthiel
18:28 <cthiel> henne, Nix: I think it would be best to add yourself to the wikipage, which will be set up tomorrow + sent skh or myself a mail
18:28 <cboltz> - "using rug/zenworks"? - and hope that it doesn't turn to a "using bugzilla" ;-) *duck*
18:28 <brainiac_ghost> hmm
18:28 <skh> cboltz: no, that's fine ;-)
18:28 <brainiac_ghost> opensuse 10.1 beta 9 any good?
18:28 @<henne> the question is can someone do this?
18:28 <cboltz> (but I think it some people could really be interested in "using bugzilla")
18:28 <brainiac_ghost> and does an rt2500 card work under it :P
18:28 @<Beineri> !notopensuse
18:28 <SuSEhelp> openSUSE is the project, not the distribution which is called SUSE Linux
18:29 @<Beineri> brainiac_ghost: and read the topic
18:29 <brainiac_ghost> Beineri: sorry
18:29 <skh> Beineri: I don't know. cthiel, do you know about banners?
18:29 <brainiac_ghost> where is linuxtag
18:29 <cthiel> skh: I don't
18:29 <skh> cboltz: actually, bugzilla is a possible demo too
18:29 <skh> lower the threshold for testers ;-)
18:30 <skh> and show the bug howtos
18:30 <skh> AI skh: make a wiki page listing all demos
18:30 <cthiel> + most of the time we will have to answer general / support questions anyway...
18:30 @<henne> good iead
18:30 <skh> and link to material provided by cthiel
18:31 @<Beineri> even if there are no booth banner we should have some sign maybe which counter demos what (because the person in front of it is more expert in this topic)
18:31 <skh> cthiel: can you check the banners with that Novell person?
18:31 <cthiel> skh: will do
18:31 @<Beineri> or where KDE runs and where something alien ;-)
18:32 <darix> hmm
18:32 <cboltz> skh: "demo listing" is AI #165292 ;-)
18:32 * skh points out that we will have desktop team members at the booth too...
18:32 <darix> skh: Beineri ?:)
18:32 <skh> darix: and Bille
18:32 <skh> as far as I know
18:33 <cthiel> skh: correct
18:33 <darix> my favorite kopete hacker too!
18:33 <adrianS> We will have anyway our openSUSE banners with us
18:33 <adrianS> large, and green and visible
18:33 @<Beineri> green - on a red booth? :-)
18:33 <skh> don't chat....
18:33 <skh> any more questions about the booth?
18:34 <skh> ok, on to the conference.
18:34 <skh> We will have openSUSE Tag on Thursday, May 4
18:34 <skh> for those who missed it, the program is at
18:34 <skh> http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/besucher/programm/freies-vortragsprogramm/donnerstag.html
18:35 <skh> and would all speakers please update abstracts and bios ;-)
18:35 <skh> Questions I have:
18:35 <skh> - do we want co-speakers who are not from SUSE, as houghi asked on the list?
18:35 <skh> - what do we do with the last free slot?
18:36 <skh> - and what will we discuss at the meeting scheduled at 5pm on that day?
18:36 <skh> so, first: do we want co-speakers, and are there volunteers?
18:36 <skh> (discuss)
18:36 <cthiel> skh: if there is someone who wants to demo a really cool feature of 10.1, I'd suggest to bring him up on stage in the features&highlights talk
18:36 @<henne> of course we want co-speakers but are there co-speakers? thats the real question
18:36 @<henne> present at the moment
18:37 <adrianS> the question is not if one is employed or not, but if the person has something to say or not ...
18:37 @<henne> exactly
18:37 @<henne> speak up now if you want to hold a talk at the conference
18:38 <skh> there was no enthusiastic response to houghis suggestion so far
18:38 <skh> adrianS: true, but we have to somehow offer the possibility to people
18:38 <fm> i could say something about te use of opensuse at my school
18:38 @<henne> let me note something for the future please
18:38 <adrianS> lets create a big banner on the www.opensuse.org page, link to some LinuxTag page and request for further talks
18:38 <cthiel> so, if you don't feel like speaking up now, feel free to contact us offline!
18:38 @<henne> fm: that would include what? :)
18:39 <skh> adrianS: and announce it on the lists too (that will be some big announcement...)
18:39 <adrianS> and lets also request it via opensuse-announce LinuxTag mail
18:39 <adrianS> yes
18:39 <skh> adrianS: can you do this?
18:39 <adrianS> let's do this tomorrow together
18:39 <skh> ok.
18:39 <adrianS> short mail pointing to some wiki pages with more informaiton
18:39 <skh> AI adrian, skh: invite more speakers in announcement and on homepage
18:40 <skh> we _could_ use the free slot for speed talks.
18:40 @<henne> we have the first one here. fm. so let him speak guys
18:40 <fm> i have written a yearly task about the use of linux in schools there is a termina server for thinclients and a system to clone the fat clients. all is running opensuse 10.0 /10.1
18:40 <cthiel> skh: sounds like a great idea -- do we have topics to talk about?
18:40 <skh> fm: can you write a short abstract, and how much time would you need?
18:41 <fm> projects to name would be udpcast and ltsp ;)
18:41 <cboltz> "call for speakers" is AI #165297
18:41 <adrianS> fm: I would like to see some wiki page about that on opensuse.org :)
18:41 <skh> cboltz: thanks
18:41 <adrianS> fm: and a Build Service project later ....
18:42 @<henne> well lets start with an abstract peepz
18:42 <fm> skh, where do you want me to send the information to? i submitted this tothe official linuxtag call for papers too. but there was no room for it...
18:42 <skh> fm: to the opensuse list
18:42 <skh> or do we want a wiki page for that?
18:43 @<henne> nah
18:43 <cthiel> let's dicuss it via mail first
18:43 <skh> ok, all (speed)talk submissions go to the list
18:43 @<henne> let me note something for the future please
18:44 <skh> henne: please do
18:44 @<henne> it really does not help that we have a schedule upfront
18:44 @<henne> we have this this time and we had at FOSDEM
18:44 <skh> henne: yeah.
18:44 @<henne> next time we really should plan together
18:45 @<henne> from the beginning. not only filling the gaps
18:45 <skh> henne: as always, there's a reason why it happened this way, but yes.
18:45 <adrianS> henne: do you want to prefer some other points over the current planned ones ?
18:45 <adrianS> henne: the schedule is not holy ...
18:45 <cboltz> skh: What reason? ;-)
18:45 <cthiel> cboltz: most likely time ;)
18:45 <fm> skh, will send it to the list. but it might take a day. i will be at the conference just for friday and saturday
18:46 <skh> cboltz: time pressure, and that the linuxtag people wanted to know the contents very fast
18:46 <cboltz> OK - so earlier planning is needed next year.
18:46 @<henne> adrianS: nope. i just think that putting out a nearly finished schedule kills of interests of holding a talk
18:46 <skh> cboltz: because openSUSE Tag is a feature for them too, and they want a press announcement etc.
18:46 <skh> cboltz: the whole idea came very late.
18:46 @<henne> thanks fedora!
18:46 <skh> yeah ;-)
18:47 @<henne> ok enough on that topic
18:47 <_Marcus_> do they have a Fedora day ?:)
18:47 @<henne> _Marcus_: we hunted them out
18:47 <skh> Marcus: no. they initially wanted.
18:47 <skh> but went away for some reason.
18:47 <_Marcus_> ah
18:47 <skh> and we got the slot.
18:47 <skh> at least that's the version I know, I have of course no idea.
18:48 <skh> anyway.
18:48 <skh> Social event.
18:48 <Nix> ahhh.. yess. the most important bit :-)
18:48 <skh> - We try to find some money to at least invite all our volunteers to dinner. ;-)
18:48 <cthiel> fm: remember, the openSUSE day is on Thursday, that's the day where we have the openSUSE track as well...
18:48 * henne wants one as long as skh and adrianS bring their credit cards
18:48 <skh> henne: or michl
18:49 <skh> when would be a good social event day? Thursday evening, after openSUSE Tag?
18:49 <cboltz> yes, when else? ;-)
18:49 <skh> (This is no final promise, unfortunately. But let's assume we find something.)
18:49 <adrianS> yes, if it all
18:49 @<henne> is there a general social event?
18:49 <notlocalhorst> keep in mind that there will be also a socialevent from linuxtag
18:49 @<Beineri> yes, same day as "community meeting"
18:50 * adrianS does leave for private appointment
18:50 @<henne> notlocalhorst: when?
18:50 <skh> adrian: have a nice evening
18:50 <notlocalhorst> dunno
18:50 <notlocalhorst> it was every year
18:50 <skh> notlocalhorst: can you find out...?
18:50 <notlocalhorst> yo
18:51 <skh> ok.
18:51 <skh> We will need some kind of estimate how many people will be there.
18:51 @<henne> skh: can we stay in the room where opensusetag is taking place?
18:51 <skh> I don't know.
18:51 <cthiel> right
18:52 @<Beineri> henne: call a pizza!?
18:52 @<henne> Beineri: and send adrianS to buy some beer yes
18:52 * adrianS considered to buy some barrels of bavarian beer and to have a party on the parking place :)
18:52 <adrianS> ha !
18:52 <skh> ok, who wants to organize the social event?
18:52 <skh> hands up please
18:52 <notlocalhorst> social event 4.5 ... thursday
18:53 <cthiel> ?
18:53 @<henne> uhm that sucks
18:53 <adrianS> it will anyway organized by some employee, I think
18:53 <adrianS> so let's discuss it offtopic
18:53 <adrianS> offline
18:53 <adrianS> bah
18:53 <notlocalhorst> and we should get cards for it ... you have to order them upfront
18:53 * cthiel watches adrianS running out the door...
18:54 <notlocalhorst> 25?
18:54 <skh> notlocalhorst: for the official one?
18:54 @<henne> ok so the offical linuxtag sozial event is on thursday
18:54 <notlocalhorst> yes
18:54 <cthiel> notlocalhorst: get at least 15 or so for the SUSE/Novell people
18:54 <skh> do we want to have our own candle-light dinner anyway?
18:54 @<henne> not instead of the offical social event no
18:55 <skh> henne: no, at another day
18:55 @<henne> we are part of an even larger community :)
18:55 <skh> henne: I know.
18:55 <notlocalhorst> the social event was quite good last year ...
18:55 <skh> whatever, informal dinner somewhere on friday evening, after a long day of booth duty?
18:55 @<henne> well if we want to go out eating with the volunteers there is no day left
18:56 @<henne> except wednesday perhaps
18:56 <skh> we don't _have" to invite people
18:56 @<henne> where no one will be there
18:56 <skh> what is friday?
18:56 @<henne> when do you want to go out with the volunteers? saturday morning? ;)
18:56 <skh> henne: what's wrong with friday?
18:57 @<henne> nothing
18:57 <skh> so do we want to do this or not?
18:57 @<henne> so the "social event" we are talking about is "invite all our volunteers to dinner"?
18:57 <skh> henne: yes.
18:58 <cthiel> but we need to find funding for that...
18:58 @<henne> what about people that cant help but are part of the community too?
18:58 <skh> just a crazy idea of aj an me
18:58 <skh> henne: I would have defined "volunteers" quite loosely
18:58 @<henne> ok
18:58 <skh> as there are not that many opensuse contributors who will be at linuxtag anyway
18:58 <skh> at least not this year
18:58 @<henne> ok
18:59 @<henne> then friday is fine
18:59 <cthiel> so, who will take care of getting funding for this?
18:59 <skh> I will.
18:59 <cthiel> good
18:59 <skh> how many people do we guess to be there?
18:59 <skh> 20?
18:59 <cthiel> not more than 25...
18:59 <skh> AI skh: organize dinner
19:00 @<henne> well we have 12 suse employees and i counted ~5 volunteers by now
19:00 @<Beineri> how about to have people to sign up?
19:00 <skh> Beineri: ... also part of the Big Announcement
19:00 @<henne> that what we will do with the wiki page or?
19:00 <cboltz> dinner is AI # 165303 ;-)
19:00 * henne pets the AI-bot cboltz
19:01 <cboltz> *g*
19:01 <skh> henne: I think personal email to me for definite dinner reservation or something
19:01 <skh> I'll find a way.
19:01 @<henne> ok
19:01 <skh> next topic: henne
19:01 @<henne> what?
19:01 <schiele> henne: _you_ wanted another topic.
19:02 @<henne> that was topic 3
19:02 @<henne> what to show at the booth
19:02 <skh> henne: sorry, I thought you had something else.
19:02 <skh> misunderstanding, mea culpa.
19:02 @<henne> nope
19:02 <skh> then we're done with the official part.
19:02 <skh> anything else?
19:02 <schiele> But I have something: Does SUSE/Novell have some Linuxtag tickets left or do I have to get them somewhere else?
19:02 <cthiel> great, we are almost in time!
19:02 <skh> as we're a sponsor...
19:02 <cthiel> schiele: I guess we have to pay as well, but I can try to find out
19:03 <schiele> cthiel: try! ;-)
19:03 <skh> cthiel: please do ;-)
19:03 @<henne> if not i pay
19:03 @<henne> for tickets for volunteers <- not loosely defined ;)
19:04 <skh> for booth-duty volunteers ;-)
19:04 <cthiel> AI cthiel: find out if there are some free LinuxTag tickets available
19:04 <jengelh> hm
19:04 <skh> yes?
19:05 @<henne> i need to leave too
19:05 * cthiel as well
19:05 @<henne> lets wrap this up
19:05 <skh> ok.
19:05 <skh> thanks all for your participation and discipline
19:05 <skh> in this unmoderated meeting ;-)
19:05 <cboltz> LinuxTag tickets are (hopefully) available via AI #165310 ;-)
19:06 <skh> thanks to cboltz for real-time AI bugging and henne for the transcript
19:06 <skh> any other questions and ideas should go to the mailing list.
19:06 <cthiel> bye folks
19:06 <skh> and remember to have a lot of fun.
--- Log closed Di Apr 11 19:06:35 2006