Meetings/Status Meeting 2006-08-08/transcript

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Introduction

--- Log opened Tue Aug 08 18:01:28 2006
18:02 @<henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting!
18:02  <sPiN> ohh joy i didnt miss the meeting for once :)
18:02 @<henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE.
18:02 @<henne> The topics of this meeting are:
18:02 @<henne> 1. 10.2
18:02 @<henne> 2. LinuxWorld Expo, San Francisco
18:02 @<henne> 3. wiki
18:02 @<henne> 4. build service
18:02 @<henne> 5. Mailinglists
18:02 @<henne> 6. Tomorrow openSUSE becomes one year old
18:02  <[daemon]> paaaarty
18:02 @<henne>   lets start with topic 1
18:02 @<henne>   AJaeger your turn
18:02  <AJaeger> Thanks henne!

Status 10.2

18:03  <AJaeger> I'd like to mention three topics:
18:03  <AJaeger> * Schedule
18:03  <AJaeger> * Features
18:03  <AJaeger> * This week Alpha3
18:03  <AJaeger> We're discussing the schedule currently.  
                 Is there anything that we can do better than the last two times?
18:03 @<henne>   could you define schedule?
18:03  <AJaeger> I plan to have only two betas with two weeks in between, 
                 then RC1 and a week later the release.  
                 The exact timing is still under discussion.
18:04  <AJaeger> schedule means: When to release 10.2 - and the timeline of Betas, RC.
18:04  <AJaeger> Feature wise we've gone through the wishlists and feature lists in the wiki 
                 and look what we consider usefull and doable.  We'll start a discussion 
                 about this soon (this or next week) on the mailing lists.  
                 The most important feature is the package management. 
                 I fear we cannot fullfill everybody's wishes
                 but we have to bring it in a much better shape 
                 (and we plan to release another 10.1 update in the next weeks).
18:04  <AJaeger> Alpha3 shows quite some changes: We switched to kernel 2.6.18rc4, 
                 have KDE 3.5.4, have started the switch to GNOME 2.16 Beta 
                 (just the base packages for now) -
                 and the largest change: X11 R7.1 with different pathes (no more /usr/X11R6).  
                 With Alpha3, the distribution will be called openSUSE (and not anymore "SUSE Linux"),
                 this change has started in the artwork but is not complete.  We now use cups 1.2.  
                 All these changes needed changes by othe
18:04  <cb400f>  I'd suggest looking at kde and gnome schedules before deciding on feature freeze
18:04  <AJaeger> The Alpha3 of openSUSE 10.2 - with its codename "Basilisk Lizard" - 
                 is quite untested and more for the experimental folks.  
                 I suggest to not use it in production.
                 Nevertheless I consider it an important milestone for development and testing.
18:05  <AJaeger> I open the round for discussion and comments on openSUSE 10.2.
18:05  <AJaeger> cb400f: A schedule also depends on when anything can be done 
                 (other projects at SUSE/Novell, vacation etc).
18:06  <AJaeger> We do take this in consideration.
18:06  <cboltz>  Is Xorg 7.1 integration complete? (As in: testing it is useful)
18:06 @<henne>   can we stick to schedule and do features afterwards please?
18:07  <cboltz>  ok, no problem ;-)
18:07  <AJaeger> (cboltz: testing for 7.1 is useful.  
                 We put it last tuesday in our build system and are testing ourselves)
18:07  <KaiSVK>  I agree with cb400f, mainly GNOME 2.16 should be fully integrated in 10.2 ... 2.14 
                 IMHO is old fashioned for these days ;)
18:07  <Beineri> cb400f: kde will have no feature release for some time now 
                 and GNOME 2.16 is scheduled for next month
18:07 @<henne>   i find 2 betas without intermediate testing updates scary
18:08  <federico> AJaeger: I'd suggest longer betas, or more betas.  
                 We have a lot of experimental stuff in this release.
18:08  <skh>     why not 4 betas (with 2 week time between them)?
18:08  <AJaeger> henne: I learned that I have to wait 2 weeks between betas.
18:08  <AJaeger> And I don't want to do too many betas.
18:08  <sPiN>    in one of these meetings, someone mentioned that you might be moving to 
                 an 8 month release cycle, is that the official target now?
18:08 @<henne>   i totally agree. but having as consequence only 2 then is scary
18:09  <AJaeger> With the Alpha releases - and perhaps one Alpha directly before Beta1, 
                 we should be able to do it.
18:09  <skh> AJaeger: 2 betas feels too little to me too
18:09  <skh>     (to me as a packager, that is)
18:09  <skh>      too few
18:09  <AJaeger> sPiN: 8 month roughly, yes.  Now it's the details.  
                 It could be a month or two earlier/later.
18:09  <KaiSVK> henne, its scary after many betas of 10.1 
                 and still I think it would be better to test 10.1 more ;)
18:09  <cthiel> AJaeger: 3 might be the way to go...
18:09  <cthiel> AJaeger: but if we get a real Beta1 at the time that we schedule Beta1, 
                 it might be ok
18:10  <AJaeger> skh/henne: I hear you and will take this feedback back.
18:10  <skh> AJaeger: we will visit you in your office if you don't
18:10  <AJaeger> cthiel: Two betas so that we cannot change the package manager after beta3 ;-)
18:10  <sPiN>    im not a software developer, but shouldn't you let the state of software 
                 determine the number of betas?
18:10  <cthiel> AJaeger: good point ;)
18:10  <skh> sPiN: we need a time plan when we want 10.2 to be finished, 
                 or it would never be ;-)
18:11 @<henne> AJaeger: what about exit criteria for the betas?
18:11  <AJaeger> sPiN: It's also a question of freezing stuff.  
                 You stop development with Beta1 and allow only bugfixes.  
                 And if that does not work, we need further betas...
18:11  <sPiN>   ahh
18:11 @<henne>  ist "boots/installs" enough?
18:11  <Tsuroerusu> Ajaeger: May I make a very quick last minute feature suggestion for 10.2? 
                I forgot to put it on the wiki
18:12 @<henne> Tsuroerusu: put it there i pick it up
18:12  <_Marcus_> AJaeger: what about hte rumour of smaller openSUSE 10.2 release?
18:12  <Tsuroerusu> henne: On the feature wishlist?
18:12  <AJaeger> henne: That's a discussion we need to have internally. 
                boots/installs is not enough, for me it'S at least: Login into 
                GNOME and KDE works and firefox starts ;-)
18:12  <cthiel> _Marcus_: "rumor"?
18:12 @<henne> Tsuroerusu: yes. no need to do that here now
18:12  <AJaeger> _Marcus_: What do you mean with "smaller" ?
18:13  <cthiel> _Marcus_: cutting down the size of the core distro? 
                5 CDs -> 3 CDs or something alike?
18:13  <Tsuroerusu> henne: Perfect, thanks
18:13  <_Marcus_> yes
18:13  <_Marcus_> 3 cds only
18:13  <AJaeger> cthiel, _Marcus_: Yes, that's something we have to think about.
18:13  <_Marcus_> i consider it a bad idea. :)
18:14  <AJaeger> The question is how to define the CDs - what should be on them: 
                 Which languages, which packages?
18:14  <cthiel> _Marcus_, AJaeger: actually it should be possible 
                to get a working desktop with just one CD
18:14 @<henne>   so where will we discuss this?
18:14  <AJaeger> I first want a definition, and then let's see whether it makes sense at all.
18:14  <cthiel>  everything else, like the 10 browsers and 20 mua's should be downloadable...
18:14  <AJaeger> henne: I would say on the factory maililng list.
18:14 @<henne>   ok
18:14  <cthiel>  right
18:15 @<henne>   Action Item AJaeger: Start discussion about cutting down the size 
                 of the core distro on the factory mailinglist
18:15  <AJaeger> henne: ok.
18:15  <cboltz>  guess what I have open in my browser... ;-)
18:16  <the_dude> action item define core distro
18:16 @<henne> the_dude: this is the same...
18:16  <[daemon]> cu later
18:17 @<henne>   ok anything else of the schedule?
18:17  <AJaeger> next 10.2 topic -> Features?
18:17  <cboltz> AJaeger: AI #197879
18:17 @<henne>   yes please go ahead
18:17  <AJaeger> cboltz: Thanks.
18:18  <AJaeger> We'll discuss the features on the mailing list.  
                 Are there any direct questions?  Anything you like to see and
                 consider usefull and important for the *majority* of openSUSE 10.2 users?
18:19  <sPiN>    oohhh i got something
18:19 @<henne>   hard to say without knowing what you defined already
18:19  <the_dude> i have something as well
18:19  <AJaeger> henne: Michl is writing it up right now to send around and discuss.
18:19  <AJaeger> sPiN: Go ahead
18:19  <AJaeger> the_dude: I listen.
18:20  <AJaeger> As I've said: We'll discuss further on the mailing list, 
                 so this is not your last chance ;-)
18:20  <the_dude> we seem to be pushing more and more using network based software sources
18:20  <sPiN>   when you do partitioning during setup, 10.1 started setting a separate /home.... 
                i think it would be a very good idea that it not do this, if the person 
                has < ~12GB they are using for suse
18:20  <the_dude> i'd like to see a smart mirror manager that uses something like netselect 
                to enable a selection of mirrors for software/guru/packman/etc
18:20  <sPiN> several people have came to #suse because they set aside 10GB or so for linux, 
              and then ended up with a 3 or 4GB / and run out of space very quickly as a result
18:21  <AJaeger> sPiN: All these values are configureable in our setup.  
              I'm not sure what the current value is but suggest you file a bugreport so that 
              we change the limit.  this is easily done.  
              Assign the bugreport directly to me (aj@novell.com).  If all wishes were that easy ;-)
18:21  <darix> the_dude: download.opensuse.org/software.opensuse.org have a nice redirector already. 
               so if you use them as your installation source
18:22  <the_dude> darix: but we are pushing people to guru/packman/etc
18:22  <cthiel> and d.o.o/s.o.o are open for enhancements.
18:22  <AJaeger> the_dude: I agree with darix, download.opensuse.org should be able to help.  
                 but we evaluate also other ideas, perhaps for 10.3.
18:22  <the_dude> ok
18:22  <cthiel> so, if you have suggestions, what we could do better with d.o.o/s.o.o, please let me know.
18:22  * henne notes down to steal d.o.o for packman
18:22  <darix> henne: lol ;)
18:22  <sPiN> cool deal, so to be sure i understand you, there is already some number set 
              that determines if it uses a separate /home or if it puts everything on one partition? 
              so i just need to propose that number be raised?
18:23  <AJaeger> henne: No need to steal it, it's opensource ;-)
18:23  <AJaeger> sPiN: exact.
18:23  <darix> henne: borrow it. and give it back if you no longer need it. ;)
18:23 @<henne> okay anything else on features?
18:23  <KnuX> Is yast gtk going to be included in 10.2?
18:23  <sPiN> thanks, ill make a report now
18:23  <cthiel> KnuX: if it's ready at that time, I guess so...
18:24  <AJaeger> KnuX: It's not finished yet and therefore I cannot comment on it.
18:24  <skh> when is the feature freeze date?
18:24  <cthiel> Ricardo and Michael are pushing hard to get it in...
18:24  <AJaeger> skh: Depends on the rest of schedule.
18:24  <skh> AJaeger: roughly?
18:24 @<henne> AJaeger: this time we should put more effort in announcing that one
18:25  <AJaeger> henne: My schedule announcement will contain it.
18:25 @<henne> ok
18:25  <co0kie> henne: i dont know if i can call it feature but i would like to have one 
                and only one default package manager/updater, no more YOU or zen updater 
                at the same time, just one and only one
18:25  <nonix4_> Assuming I mirror {repodata,rpm,scripts}, how do I tell YaST & friends about it? 
                (no I don't know anything about 10.1 packaging specifics, just familiar w/ 8.x and 9.x 
                and dozens of other distros)
18:25  <AJaeger> skh: I need to calc again with 3 betas ;-)
18:25  <KnuX> What about xgl and aiglx? Will they be included and easy selectable like with sled 
              or will it need some adjusting?
18:25  <skh> AJaeger: good excuse, ok ;-)
18:26  <cthiel> oh, and we should urge people to file their "I'd like to get package x updated" just now :)
18:26  <AJaeger> co0kie: You can choose - and we plan to make both as robust.
18:26  <darix> KnuX: they are already easily to enable in 10.1
18:26  <KnuX> not so much on kde
18:26  <AJaeger> KnuX: xgl in the same way as in SLED.
18:26  <darix> KnuX: /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager ;)
18:26  <darix> and restart X
18:26  <darix> though
18:26  <AJaeger> nonix4_: Please ask this later, this is off-topic right now for the status meeting.
18:26  <KnuX> kk, and will aiglx be included?
18:27  <darix> KnuX: why?
18:27  <AJaeger> aiglx is currently not usable.
18:27  <cthiel> KnuX: it's in xorg 7.1, so yes, it's in.
18:27  <KnuX> darix: it's not so much point and click for newer users (fine by me tough, just asking)
18:27  <KnuX> ok, tnx
18:27  <sPiN> ohh several people have asked about the customized gnome desktop in sled, 
              it wont be in 10.2 will it?
18:27  <cthiel> the main menu?
18:27  <cthiel> I guess that one will be in 10.2, right AJaeger?
18:28  <AJaeger> sPiN: Alpha3 might have already the new main menu.
18:28  <AJaeger> cthiel: Yes.
18:28  <co0kie> too much choice means mess, by default there should be only one manager, 
                but of course users would be able to install other managers
18:28  <sPiN> ohhh ok, thanks
18:28  <skh> and I've seen KDE folks cooking something up too -- any news on that?
18:28  <darix> skh: cooking somthing up for?
18:28  <skh> darix: start menu
18:28  <darix> ah.
18:28  <skh> Beineri?
18:28  <darix> Beineri: ping
18:28  <AJaeger> skh: there's a summer of google project and that looked promising.
18:28  <Tsuroerusu> henne: The thing I wanted to suggest (You may have heard this request before, 
                    but I have not seen anybody suggest it on the wiki), is on the YaST related 
                    feature wishlist wiki page.
18:28  <Beineri> skh: as soon as we have some web page up ;-)
18:29 @<henne> Tsuroerusu: alright
18:29  <Tsuroerusu> henne: It's the top one :P
18:29 @<henne> ok i guess we should cut here now
18:30 @<henne> otherwiese we will discuss features untill xmas
18:30  <AJaeger> Ok, let's move to openSUSE 10.2 Alpha3.  Any comments, questions?
18:30  <darix> i would like to ask: if you add packages to the package wishlist, 
               at least check if the package is not in already.
18:30  <darix> (in as included in the distro.;)
18:30 @<henne> AJaeger: you mean any particular questions comments on that alpha?
18:30  <the_dude> darix: you are so demanding
18:31  <darix> the_dude: the community is more demanding. ;)
18:31  <AJaeger> henne: Yes, that's what I meant.  Anything on this alpha and the changes in it 
                 that I explained in my introduction.
18:32  <KnuX> no ati or nvidia drivers for now right?
18:32 @<henne> obviously not :)
18:32  <darix> KnuX: you dont read the opensuse ml right?
18:32  <darix> :)
18:32  <AJaeger> We're not distributing binary only drivers.
18:32  <KnuX> lol I confess
18:32  <darix> KnuX: you should.
18:32  <KnuX> I was talking about them working, as it's xorg 7.1
18:33  <KnuX> not distributing
18:33  <skh> AJaeger: is it usable for a main workstation with all the X changes or rather not?
18:33  <cthiel> skh: it is.
18:33  <AJaeger> Due to the switch to kernel 2.6.18, even some of our kernel packages do not work right now.
18:33  * cthiel is running xorg 7.1 already
18:33  <sPiN> ati's latest driver is supposed to work with xorg 7.1, but i was unable to get it to wor
18:33  <darix> KnuX: xorg 7.1 is pretty new. just wait for a fixed driver from ati/nvidia
18:33  <Tsuroerusu> KnuX: ATi's driver should work with X.Org 7.1, 
                    I don't believe NVIDIA has added that support yet.
18:33  * henne notes down that skh is not running factory
18:33  <AJaeger> skh: I do not know yet. Adrian is running it since some days already...
18:33  <KnuX> thanks
18:34  * cthiel too
18:34  <skh> henne: I lost against the package manager some weeks ago and gave up
18:34  <darix> henne: she has to buy an ice for everyone
18:34  <cthiel> skh: use smart ;)
18:34  <kommerck> Tsuroerusu: nvidia's driver works with xorg 7.1 with renderaccel disabled
18:34  <darix> skh: use y2pmsh.
18:34 @<henne> okay
18:34  <the_dude> there was some reiserfs4 discussion on maillist, what is status of that wrt 10.2?
18:34  <cthiel> y2pmsh is so 90ies
18:34  <darix> the_dude: if it is mainline. ;)
18:34 @<henne> anything else on Alpha3?
18:34 @<henne> stop chatting!
18:34  <darix> cthiel: and smart is so broken. (:
18:34  <cthiel> darix: no, it's not ;)
18:34  <AJaeger> the_dude: I suggest that it gets added to the build service.  It will not be in Alpha3 ;-)
18:34  <darix> henne: next?
18:35  <AJaeger> henne: Go ahead with topic 2.
18:35 @<henne> ok

LinuxWorld Expo, San Francisco

18:35 @<henne> Topic 2 is LinuxWorld Expo, San Francisco
18:35 @<henne> who owns that one?
18:35  <cboltz> AI michl ;-)
18:35  <skh> michl and mls
18:35  <michl> just for your information
18:36  <michl> we're at .org pavillon booth 13
18:36  <michl> and mls gives a talk
18:36  <michl> BOF11:  OpenSUSE.org and the Build Service
18:36  <michl> Dr. Michael Schroeder
18:36  <michl> Wednesday August 16, 2007, 6 ? 7 p.m.
18:36  <michl> Room 301
18:36  <michl> free exhibition tickest are available till Sunday at
18:36  <michl> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/sf
18:37 @<henne> so anyone from that area go and visit the .org pavillon and help out :)
18:37  <the_dude> anyone interested in a pub crawl?
18:37  <michl> yes
18:37  <the_dude> i noticed some brainshare talk on the web page as well
18:37  <the_dude> any details on that?
18:38 @<henne> what do you mean?
18:38  <skh> "some brainshare talk"?
18:38  <michl> some talks of this years Brainshare will held at LWE again
18:38  <the_dude> ok
18:39 @<henne> ok anything else on the topic of LWE SF?
18:39 @<henne> ok

Status wiki

18:39 @<henne> next topic is
18:39 @<henne> 3. wiki
18:39  <skh> michl: will you announce that you're there on the lists?
18:39  <notlocalhorst> not much new on my side ... pt.opensuse.org is ready, will announce it 
                       later on mailinglist and wiki, thanks to Hugo for the translation.
18:39  <notlocalhorst> working right now on el.opensuse.org (greek), should be ready this week. 
                       next is is (islandic)
18:39  <michl> of course yes
18:40  <darix> and we have an active discussion on the wiki ml on the new start page.
18:40  <darix> i would like to invite all people, who are doing localizations, to follow it. :)
18:40 @<henne> cool. any questions?
18:40  <darix> so we can move to it quickly
18:40  <darix> :)
18:41 @<henne> ok next topic then?
18:41 @<henne> alright

Status Mailinglists

18:41 @<henne> 5. Mailinglists
18:41  <darix> *assigns to henne*
18:41 @<henne> i switched over -buildservice and -commit last week
18:42 @<henne> everything runs smoothly
18:42 @<henne> so on thursday i switch over the rest of the opensuse- prefixed lists
18:42 @<henne> i will announce that shortly before
18:42 @<henne> after i did this i have 2 things on my TODO
18:43 @<henne> 1. writing documentation on usage of the new listmanager
18:43 @<henne> 2. evaluating more lists to switch
18:43 @<henne> i would like to get rid of #1
18:43 @<henne> any takers?
18:43  <darix> mmj <-
18:43  <darix> ;)
18:43 @<henne> its a very easy task
18:43 @<henne> just read the mlmmj readme and transfer it to the wiki
18:44  <skh> I can do that
18:44 @<henne> okay
18:44 @<henne> Action Item skh: ducument new mailinglist manager usage in the wiki
18:44 @<henne> thanks skh :)
18:44 @<henne> any questions here?
18:44  <cb400f> when will there be an opensuse-project@ (or something like that)
18:45  <darix> cb400f: isnt there opensuse-devel already?
18:45  <darix> oO
18:45  <cboltz> skh: AI #197893
18:45 @<henne> no there isnt
18:45  <skh> darix: there isn't
18:45  <darix> hmm
18:45  <darix> i thought
18:45 @<henne> so do we want that split?
18:45  <skh> I think we do
18:45  <skh> this ties in with the rename suse-linux -> opensuse
18:46 @<henne> erm
18:46  <skh> and the mailing list merge that will one day happen
18:46  <cb400f> opensuse@ will be increasingly spammy ..espcially since name change
18:46 @<henne> ok can someone tell me what we want?
18:46 @<henne> opensuse@opensuse.org
18:46 @<henne> and opensuse-devel@opensuse.org
18:46 @<henne> ?
18:46  <darix> devel@opensuse.org
18:46  <skh> wait.
18:46 @<henne> darix: STFU
18:46  <cb400f> opensuse-project@opensuse-org
18:47  <notlocalhorst> opensuse-project
18:47  <superniemand> like the irc channel opensuse-devel
18:47  <skh> I have a non-finished proposal somewhere. let me finish that and send it to the list?
18:47 @<henne> skh: ok cool
18:47  <skh> because it's a lengthy discussion.
18:47  <cb400f> devel sounds like "hackers only"
18:47  <notlocalhorst> right
18:47  <darix> cb400f: thats positiv. ;)
18:47  <skh> and -devel is already -factory anyway...
18:47  <GlaDiaC> beer@opensuse.org
18:48 @<henne> Action Item skh: send proposal about listnames to the opensuse list
18:48 @<henne> ok aynthing else?
18:48  <cboltz> skh: AI #197896
18:48  <skh> cboltz: thanks
18:48 @<henne> nex topic then ok?
18:48  <cboltz> when will the z-index on lists4.opensuse.org be fixed? 
                (reported in opensuse-test already some time ago)
18:49  <Beineri> henne: topic 4 build service?
18:49 @<henne> cboltz: worksforme
18:49  <cboltz> not really ;-)
18:49  <cboltz> Would you accept a patch for the CSS?
18:50  <darix> cboltz: the CSS should be the same as on the wiki right?
18:50 @<henne> cboltz: send it to frank please i dont have a clue about this webstuff :)
18:50  <Tsuroerusu> darix: Microsoft could use that for IE 7 :P
18:50  <darix> at least it was planned to keep them in sync
18:50 @<henne> darix: its the same
18:50 @<henne> Beineri: you got me there ;)
18:50 @<henne> ok next topic

Status build service

18:50 @<henne> 4. build service
18:51 @<henne> yes i cant count
18:51  <cthiel> you do?
18:51  <skh> is adrianS back from the server room yet?
18:51  * henne looks
18:51  <darix> hmm adrian and andreas are just updating the buildservice hosts
18:51 @<henne> no hes not
18:52 @<henne> so we skip that topic :/
18:52  <darix> so a long awaited update should be deployed today.
18:52  <darix> :)
18:52 @<henne> next topic then

Tomorrow openSUSE becomes one year old

18:52 @<henne> 6. Tomorrow openSUSE becomes one year old
18:52  <Tsuroerusu> PARTY!
18:52  <notlocalhorst> party!
18:52  <Beineri> congratulations ;-)
18:52  <darix> getting drunk!
18:52 @<henne> so WWD
18:53 @<henne> world wide drinking
18:53  <Beineri> only 17 years to go to be grown-up
18:53  <cboltz> Beinerly: you are about 5 hours too early ;-)
18:53  <darix> cboltz: not for japan ;)
18:54 @<henne> so who brought up that topic?
18:54  <skh> no idea.
18:54 @<henne> whats it about?
18:54  <cthiel> michl?
18:54  <Beineri> just to be remembered about it :-)
18:54  <_Marcus_> is it a reason to get drunk? :)
18:54  <Beineri> a reason to look back?
18:54  <skh> Marcus: we should just use it as a reason tomorrow
18:55 @<henne> ok next topic then
18:55 @<henne> ok?
18:55  <Beineri> or to look forward
18:55  <_Marcus_> skh: hmm. i have a call 7pm - 8pm ... but i will be in N i guess
18:55  <skh> Beineri: feel free to start a thread on the list...
18:56  <cboltz> henne: topic was added by Beinerly (see wiki history) - so he will pay the drinks I guess ;-)
18:56 @<henne> cool
18:56 @<henne> ok next serious topic :)

Status #opensuse

18:56 @<henne> 7. status #opensuse
18:56 @<henne> darix?
18:56  * Beineri then mentions that he joined openSUSE only 11 months ago or so ;-)...
18:56  <darix> i was told we have #opensuse-devel now
18:56  <darix> so i would like to get rid of this "push people to #suse for support"
18:57  <darix> if this channel is not for development discussions anymore it should be open for 
               support questions
18:57  <skh> especially with the rename...
18:57  <darix> and some users here still send the support questions away.
18:57 @<henne> who implemented opensuse-devel?
18:57  <darix> Beineri i think
18:57  * Beineri registered #opensuse-devel (and some others)
18:57 @<henne> Beineri why?
18:57  <skh> which others?
18:58  <Beineri> skh: /msg chanserv list #opensuse-*
18:58  <Beineri> henne: so that not someone others registers it first (like #opensuse-dev by a Fedora guy)
18:59 @<henne> ah ok
18:59  <Beineri> henne: and for the same reasons darix mentioned
18:59  <darix> so i would like to open this channel
18:59  <darix> aka_druid will delete the stupid factoid to send the people away for me ^^
18:59  <skh> as an aside, those asking for gnome might be interested that opensuse-gnome is 
             now existing and active
18:59 @<henne> i would like to close opensuse-devel
19:00 @<henne> and link #opensuse and #suse
19:00 @<henne> so no pushing around and no 2 channels anymore
19:00  <Beineri> henne: and have non-"support me" questions where?
19:00  <darix> henne: you want to mix development discussion and support channels?
19:00  <cb400f> maybe we should create #opensuse-<something> once a mailinglist name has been decided on
19:00  <GlaDiaC> but then, the meeting needs it's own channel too
19:01  <GlaDiaC> s/it's/its/
19:01  <Beineri> GlaDiaC: #opensuse-meeting ;-)
19:01  <darix> henne: i thought about linking #suse and #opensuse too
19:01 @<henne> Beineri: opensuse-project or whatever will the mailinglistname for these kinds of topics
19:01  <cboltz> cb400f: Yes, keeping the names in sync would be a good idea
19:01  <cboltz> that also means that -devel should be renamed to -factory ;-)
19:01  <Beineri> no objection to synced names from my side
19:02 @<henne> the_dude: can you take the action item of digging up Nermal and asking if its ok?
19:02  <the_dude> hmmm
19:02  <the_dude> sure
19:03 @<henne> Action Item the_dude: Ask Nermal if it is ok when we link #suse to #opensuse or 
               the other way around
19:03 @<henne> maybe tinus too
19:03  <sPiN> what do you mean by 'link'
19:03  <darix> action item all irssi users: get the channel forward fix script. ;)
19:03 @<henne> sPiN: you join #opensuse and end up in #suse
19:04 @<henne> or the other way around
19:04  <darix> sPiN: /join #suse or /join #opensuse end up in the same place
19:04  <sPiN> ahh
19:04  <sPiN> freenode is so fancy :P
19:05  <darix> i am glad we solved that. ;)
19:05 @<henne> ok so we sny the irc channel names with the mailinglist names
19:05 @<henne> and link #suse and #opensuse
19:05 @<henne> is thats the correct summary?
19:05  <cboltz> the_dude: AI #197901
19:05  <cb400f> sound good
19:05  <the_dude> right
19:06  <Beineri> henne: but what direction? (awaing fights)
19:06  <the_dude> there will be fights
19:06 @<henne> Beineri: the linkage? lets wait what Nermal has to say
19:06  <cb400f> suse->opensuse .. regrettably
19:06  <GlaDiaC> if the name of the distro is opensuse use #opensuse
19:06  <sPiN> yeaa :9
19:06  <the_dude> there is a lot of historic momentum in #suse
19:06  <Beineri> and you thank that the #suse regulars will like that?
19:06  <Beineri> think
19:07  <the_dude> they won'
19:07  <the_dude> t
19:07 @<henne> guys
19:07 @<henne> we dont have to discuss this now and here because if Nermal says he does not want 
               this im the last person to do it
19:07  <the_dude> ok
19:07 @<henne> its _his_ channel
19:07  <the_dude> i will chat him up
19:07  <the_dude> and the other oldtimers
19:08 @<henne> yeah lets have some oldtimer chat ;)
19:08 @<henne> okay any other topic?
19:08  <the_dude> nod

Q & A

19:08  <skh> Q&A
19:08 @<henne> oh right
19:08  <Beineri> out-of-sync questions ;-)
19:08 @<henne> When will opensuse use kernel 2.6.17 ?
19:08  <cb400f> henne: to add to the summary.. #opensuse is opened for support
19:09  <cb400f> whether linked or not
19:09 @<henne> 2.6.18rcsomething is already checked in or AJaeger?
19:09  <Beineri> 2.6.18rc4 is in Factory
19:09  <AJaeger> henne: Yes, we're at 2.6.18rc4 now.
19:09  <AJaeger> So, we never will go to 2.6.17 ;-)
19:09 @<henne> hehe ok
19:09 @<henne> next question
19:09 @<henne> Are the x-server 7.1 changes last Friday considered stable for Gnome 2.12.2?
19:10 @<henne> i dont get that one
19:10  <Beineri> there is mostly no Gnome 2.12.2 anymore in Factory
19:10  <KaiSVK> Beineri, glad to read that ...
19:10  <Beineri> maybe he means 7.1 backports for 10.1?
19:11 @<henne> well instead of guessing we should ignore it :)
19:11 @<henne> please state your question precisely
19:11 @<henne> that was it or?
19:12 @<henne> okay
19:12 @<henne> the next opensuse status meeting will take place at August 22.
19:12  <skh> thanks henne + everyone
19:12 @<henne> 18:00 CEST
19:12  <cthiel> ... and good night ;)
19:12 @<henne> thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!
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