Agenda
--- Log opened Di Mai 09 18:01:20 2006
18:01 <noniko> what's netsplit?
18:01 <cthiel> henne: no?
18:01 <henne> cthiel: yeah. no chanserv
18:01 <henne> anyway
18:02 <cthiel> let's go
18:02 <henne> yeah we gotta do without op or anything
18:02 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting!
18:02 <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE.
18:02 <henne> The topics of this meeting are:
18:02 <henne> * 1 Status SUSE Linux 10.1
18:02 <henne> * 2 Post LinuxTag Discussions
Status SUSE Linux 10.1
18:03 <henne> adrianS: you wanted to do the first one
18:03 <henne> adrianS?
18:03 <adrianS> SUSE Linux RC5 is mastered and will be the GM
18:03 <adrianS> we had to redo one DVD today, but nothing serious
18:04 <adrianS> the mirrors do get the iso images already via the stage server
18:04 <adrianS> so we should be ready to release them on thursday
18:05 <adrianS> other status updates:
18:05 <adrianS> Darix is working again on the WikiMedia 1.6 update problems
18:05 <adrianS> we need it for asian support, to get finally blog support and RSS feeds
18:06 <adrianS> regarding the build service, we redesign the web interface atm
18:06 <henne> the problem with it is still multibyte chars or?
18:06 <adrianS> package source linking has been added
18:06 <noniko> wonderful!
18:06 <adrianS> we created a number of accounts on LinuxTag for the BS
18:07 <adrianS> but I am 3 weeks behind the mails to admin@opensuse.org
18:07 <adrianS> I feel bad about it and hope to get they done during this week
18:07 <adrianS> I think this is it about the status updates ...
18:08 <henne> do we need to do anything before thursday?
18:08 <cboltz> upload the torrent files to the wiki? ;-)
18:08 <adrianS> no, I don't think so
18:08 <localhorst> torrents on wiki
18:08 <adrianS> the torrent files will released of course also on thursday
18:08 <henne> what about the download page?
18:08 <henne> do i have to touch it?
18:09 * adrianS looks to michl about the download page
18:09 <cthiel> we might do some .jigdo files -- but IIUC there will be some DVD images on ftp.suse.com as well
18:10 <henne> michl: do i need to touch the Download pages for 10.1?
18:10 <adrianS> michl said that the download page needs to be prepared and that he will get into contact with henne
18:10 <michl> yes - as said the week prior to LinuxTag
18:10 <henne> that might be hard. im thinking of vacation the next 2 days ;)
18:11 <yaloki> + sending a notification to wiki translators, maybe
18:11 <cthiel> yaloki: good point!
18:11 <yaloki> btw, the download page is supposedly part of the set of pages that is translated by Novell.. is it ?
18:11 <adrianS> henne: write that down as AI for martin
18:11 <michl> next 2 days meas from tomorrow or thu/fri?
18:11 <kaiSVK> I have a question, i started translating opensuse.org to Slovak, should I stop before the changes on
opensuse.org will be done ?
18:11 <henne> michl: wed/thu
18:12 <michl> download pages are open
18:12 <yaloki> ok, so it also has to be translated for french, note taken
18:12 <henne> maybe i do it from home. lets see
18:12 <adrianS> kaiSVK: changes on opensuse.org will never been done ;)
18:12 <henne> we get that done
18:13 <Beineri> localhorst: btw, still hunting the es. wiki-sysop?
18:13 <henne> michl: what exactly do we have to do differently?
18:13 <henne> guys can we stay on topic please?
18:13 <michl> it's not much - it's just an update
18:14 <yaloki> sure ? isn't the information a bit different, as there isn't a OSS and non-OSS any more, e.g. the
"evaluation DVD", does it still contain non-OSS packages as with 10.0 ?
18:14 <yaloki> and then a link to the add-on CD .. ? I just wonder, I mean the media layout changed slightly, maybe it
should be reflected accordingly on the download page
18:14 <michl> the information is different - but not much
18:15 <henne> thats what we are talking about yaloki
18:15 <yaloki> yep, ok
18:15 <dsafda> guys I've received a xorg server update from YOU...
18:15 <kaiSVK> yaloki, for sure I think, cause as a noob I feel bit confused about what should I download ... 5CDs + add
on CD ?
18:15 <henne> michl: anyway. send me a mail and i do it...
18:15 <dsafda> since this my tv-out (twinview) option stopped working...
18:15 <michl> will do ;-)
18:16 <henne> dsafda: we are in the middle of a meeting. come back later please
18:16 <cthiel> dsafda: we are in a meeting right now -- please postpone other topics...
18:16 <dsafda> I've got a nVidia video card...
18:16 <dsafda> excuse me... ok
18:16 <cthiel> dsafda: none of a problem...
18:16 <noniko> about downloading nvidia driver...
18:16 <yaloki> dsafda: #suse for questions, please
18:16 <henne> ok anything else that we need to do for 10.1?
18:16 <noniko> ...on released version.
18:17 <noniko> in RC3 it could not downloaded from YaST.
18:17 <adrianS> not to my knowledge at least, mean AJ did not told me about anything ;)
18:17 <henne> ok
18:17 <henne> anything else regarding the other status updates?
18:17 <cthiel> henne: the usual package desc pages on novell.com
18:18 <henne> cthiel: will you talk to fs?
18:18 <yaloki> yeah, build service. adrianS, you mentioned a redesign, will it just be for the looks or also the whole
web form thing ?
18:18 <adrianS> fs does not handle this anymore, but I am sure michl will take care ...
18:18 <cthiel> henne: + I guess it would make sense to have a page on the wiki with diffpac output -- that's an
(internal) tool to compare the package differences between two mediasets
18:18 <cthiel> adrianS: right -- that's michl job ;)
18:19 <henne> cthiel: its a wiki. go ahead ;)
18:19 <adrianS> yaloki: it will be new workflows and an understandable layout
18:19 <cthiel> henne: will do :)
18:19 <yaloki> adrianS: ok, great :)
18:19 <adrianS> yaloki: it will not much affect the functionallity
18:19 <adrianS> except that we may already create place holders for upcoming stuff
18:19 <yaloki> adrianS: you mean that spec templating stuff ?
18:20 <adrianS> yaloki: the template system is for later
18:20 <adrianS> yaloki: we do not yet work on it, but we take care that we can integrate it later
18:20 <yaloki> ok, my bad, I misinterpreted "placeholders"
18:21 <henne> okay anything else regarding the status updates adrianS gave?
18:21 <henne> alright
Post LinuxTag Discussions
18:22 <henne> adrianS: care to summarize again?
18:23 <henne> did he ran away again?
18:23 <adrianS> nope ...
18:23 <cthiel> ;)
18:23 <cthiel> adrianS is most likely looking for the mail to c&p from ;)
18:23 <adrianS> we had some overcrowded talk rooms, esp when cthiel presented SL 10.1
18:23 <henne> results dude :P
18:24 <adrianS> our justice minister was also very impressed by XGl at the booth :)
18:24 <adrianS> We had lots of conversations with other projects and also other distributions
18:25 <adrianS> So we do see the chance to work together on some topics for packaging
18:25 <adrianS> We also have a Mandriva guy now working in the Build Service ;)
18:26 <adrianS> The *Ubuntus, Debian and Fedora people had some interesst at least
18:26 <cthiel> so, in general: we had a great time there and are looking forward to next year's LinuxTag -- but I think
we would also like to hear your opinion on the LinuxTag (given, you attended it).
18:27 <adrianS> I think some talks could have been better visited and we may should got more talks from fellow people
18:27 <henne> was there something we could have made better?
18:27 <adrianS> We could had 10.1 DVDs ready, because people were asking for it ;)
18:28 <cb400f> slightly OT: the 3Sat program "Neues" is online now, with a segment from linuxtag
http://www.3sat.de/dynamic/webtv/webtv_frame.php?url=/neues/neues_060506_cum.rm
18:28 <cthiel> one thing that we need to do better in the future is to actually prepare the abstracts for our talks in
the language that they will be given in.
18:29 <skh> not plan behind closed doors again next time
18:29 <adrianS> well, we would not be felxible to switch to the desired language than
18:29 <Beineri> don't have another talk schedule than printed everywhere? :-)
18:29 <cthiel> having english abstracts and presenting in german might have scared some people -- even if we ask.
18:29 <adrianS> people explicit asked for english or german talks ...
18:30 <adrianS> We could had more goodies again, t-shirts and caps were requested ;)
18:30 <cthiel> I understand that we sometimes had more english-speaking folks in the presentation than raised their
hands...
18:30 <skh> I think the abstracts problem could be helped with a very short notice "talk in german unless necessary
otherwise", I don't think that's a big deal
18:30 <cthiel> right
18:30 <yaloki> don't do that at FOSDEM though ;P
18:30 <skh> but I'd like to give away the content control (or at least part of it) for the next openSUSE day, if any,
to !suse people
18:30 <kaiSVK> adrianS, where can I get that cool T-shirt with green lizard and opensuse on it anyway ? :)
18:31 <cboltz> adrianS: good point ;-))
18:31 <skh> we're doing far too much work for you guys
18:31 <henne> hehe
18:31 <adrianS> kaiSVK: we don't have any anymore ...
18:31 <kaiSVK> ;(
18:31 <adrianS> otherwise we would had them at LinuxTag ;)
18:31 <noniko> Don' t you have a plan for "SUSE day" in asian country?
18:32 <adrianS> noniko: we do not plan this right now, but it would be thinkable
18:32 <cthiel> noniko: that would be great -- but quite costly for most of us ;)
18:32 <adrianS> noniko: where should we do this in your opinion ?
18:32 <noniko> where...country?
18:33 <WFV> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
18:33 <WFV> Dates: 16 - 19 May 2006
18:33 <WFV> Times: Tues/ Wed/ 10h00 - 18h00; Thurs 10h00 - 20h00; Fri 10h00 - 17h00 Venue: Sandton Convention Centre,
Gauteng, South Africa
18:33 <adrianS> noniko: yes, or city or which fair ?
18:33 <noniko> tokyo, and maybe beiging...
18:33 <kaiSVK> adrianS, there should be a e-shop at opensuse.org ;) with suse goodies :)
18:33 <cthiel> WFV: south africa != asia
18:33 <noniko> huhuhu
18:33 <WFV> Ahhh
18:33 <noniko> and seoul.
18:34 <noniko> oh, Taiwan!
18:34 <yaloki> stay on topic please ;)
18:34 <adrianS> kaiSVK: create an AI for michl ;)
18:34 <skh> merchandising is already an AI for michl
18:35 <skh> but regarding conferences: we don'
18:35 <cboltz> skh: do you need a bugzilla to track it or will it work without? ;-)
18:35 <kaiSVK> cant wait the time I will be able to buy mug with lizard :) and drink coffe from it at work :)
18:35 <skh> t hva much travel budget
18:35 <henne> ok what can we do that we get more !suse people to attend?
18:35 <yaloki> henne: attend or do talks ?
18:35 <skh> I'd like to see opensuse booths everywhere possible, maybe later local !suse people will come up and
organize such things
18:35 <skh> cboltz: go ahead ;-)
18:36 <skh> yaloki: both
18:36 <cthiel> starting off with the planning earlier might help ;)
18:36 <yaloki> talks are still difficult IMO
18:36 <yaloki> cthiel: +1
18:36 <ensee4> we try atm getting some budget for next year
18:37 <cthiel> ensee4 == michl
18:37 <ensee4> perhaps copying from Fedora could help, they have this ambassador program
18:37 <henne> so what will be the next fair we will attend?
18:37 <ensee4> LWE San Francisco in August
18:37 <skh> Adrian will be at Froscon
18:37 <yaloki> ew
18:37 <skh> but no booth
18:37 <ensee4> we'll most probably have a booth at the .org pavillon
18:38 <adrianS> skh: I will ? someone told me you will go with Cornelius ?
18:38 <henne> ensee4: so please start planing for that on the mailinglist NOW
18:38 <skh> adrianS: I asked you, you agreed, I gave them your email address to sort things out
18:38 <adrianS> skh: okay ..
18:38 <cthiel> lol ;)
18:39 <cthiel> how about the LinuxKongress in Nuremberg later this year?
18:39 <cthiel> (in September)
18:39 <_Marcus_> this is not much of an Expo ;)
18:39 <henne> cboltz: AI for michl: planing of the LWE San Francisco in August
18:39 <cthiel> will it still be as costly as in the past?
18:39 <skh> adrianS: programm.froscon.de, you're listed ;-) (and let's take this offline if you don't want to go)
18:40 <cboltz> AI coming soon...
18:41 <skh> and build service people will be at aKademy in dublin
18:41 <skh> but I don't know if talks are planned
18:41 <Beineri> kde people too ;-)
18:41 <Slipp3d> has there been any news on a retail release yet?
18:42 <adrianS> I hope to have a KDE 4 project ready for aKademy ...
18:42 <ensee4> retail box will be on shelf end of month
18:42 <ensee4> it's in production now
18:42 <WFV> Do we have openSuse 10.1 art work for DVD / CD printing - this would be great for shows ect.
18:42 <henne> okay anything else about fairs/linuxtag?
18:43 <Beineri> !notopensuse
18:43 <SuSEhelp> "openSUSE" is the name of the community project (wiki, mailing-lists, IRC room, etc...) - the
distribution itself is called "SUSE Linux"
18:43 <yaloki> WFV: artwork is a topic on itself, something that should be taken to the opensuse mailinglist IMO
18:43 <WFV> OK
18:43 <skh> please, everyone add interesting events to http://en.opensuse.org/Events if they're not listed
18:44 <henne> ok
18:44 <yaloki> topic++
18:44 <henne> so nothing to add to our LinuxTag2006 presence?
18:44 <WFV> yaloki: Same for media release info?
18:45 <henne> ok then lets call it a day
18:45 <henne> or do we have any other topic?
18:45 <cboltz> henne: I wondered how many people were interested in Xgl (and nearly nothing else) ;-)
18:45 <noniko> I am!
18:45 <cthiel> cboltz: like 80% or so ;)
18:46 <cboltz> BTW: I guess I can mark all LinuxTag AIs as CLOSED - or does anybody have objections?
18:46 <cthiel> cboltz: it's an impressiv marketing tool -- and I have to admit, I'm using it right now on my laptop
18:46 <yaloki> WFV: "media release info" ? let's discuss it after the meeting and/or on the ML ;)
18:46 <cthiel> cboltz: go ahead
18:46 <adrianS> yaloki: do you think it makes sense to speak about how (you ?) can create an openSUSE community commite ?
18:46 * henne hears commite and runs
18:47 <henne> can i say something about that?
18:47 <adrianS> ttee .... sorry
18:47 <yaloki> adrianS: it's a bit early I think, we'd first have to discuss how to structure the committee at all
18:47 <yaloki> but we do need one
18:47 <yaloki> (IMO)
18:47 <adrianS> yaloki: yes, I agree
18:47 * henne not
18:47 <adrianS> henne: speak up
18:47 <cb400f> I agree we need organization.. commitee or whatever
18:47 <yaloki> isolate topics, see how many responsibilities there are and how many people would be on such a committee
18:48 <henne> what problem do you try to solve with a commitee?
18:48 <yaloki> henne: taking decisions
18:48 <henne> about what?
18:48 <yaloki> all those topics that are swamped by OT mails and endless discussions but no decision in the end
18:48 <yaloki> to me, the web forum thing is really characteristic, I'm afraid
18:49 <cthiel> frankly, that just doesn't work ;(
18:49 <_Marcus_> in the end someone should just stand up and say "I will do it."
18:49 <henne> exactly
18:49 <henne> we are trying to solve a problem here that does not exist
18:49 <yaloki> point is, as far as web forums are concerned, we didn't even get to the point where someone could have
done something
18:49 <yaloki> henne: I don't agree
18:49 <adrianS> I would like to see one to get a consulidated community opinion....
18:50 <yaloki> it's pretty much a stillstand at the moment, as far as !suse is concerned
18:50 <henne> yaloki: that wont change with a commitee
18:50 <henne> either there are people that do stuff
18:50 <henne> or there are no people that do stuff
18:50 <_Marcus_> forums are t he singlest most hot topic of disagreement and i doubt a consens will be found
18:50 <skh> if we create a committee, we need to give it the right to decide on at least some things. with the current
situation I don't see that Novell commits to such a step, to be honest.
18:51 <adrianS> and the committee might also to judge about who has the right to speak for the openSUSE project, esp in
regard of fairs in asia or south africa ;)
18:51 <yaloki> skh: at least there must be some coordination for !suse
18:51 <skh> On the other hand, there are large areas where people could just start doing stuff right now
18:51 <skh> no decision needed.
18:51 <henne> and they dont
18:51 <skh> and they don't. why?
18:51 <henne> thats normal
18:51 <skh> separate these two things.
18:52 <yaloki> well, that's your opinions
18:52 <henne> yaloki: those are arguments not opinions
18:52 <adrianS> the committee can at least tell what is needed from Novell. no one gets everything what he is asking for,
but it can consolidate the most important requests
18:52 <yaloki> basically, whether we create some form of committee or steering is none of your business, so we'll see how
the discussion goes on the ML
18:52 <skh> yaloki: I think if you, and the handful of regulars on the lists would just decide something and do something
- like a derivative distribution - nobody would stop you.
18:52 <henne> yaloki: pft
18:52 <cthiel> this may sound lame, but I bet things will get easier as we move ahead -- the openSUSE image is still very
biased.
18:52 <cb400f> People do lots of things individually .. but coordination would be nice
18:52 <henne> yaloki: im a part of the same community so i have a saying
18:53 <skh> I would even go as far to say if you want a committee, nobody will stop you from creating one ;-)
18:53 <yaloki> henne: yes, but not more as the others
18:53 <skh> but the question is really: what problems do you want to solve, and does a committee really solve them.
18:53 <yaloki> I'm not sure myself what form it could/should have or if it's the best option or not, but it's at least
worth exploring
18:53 <yaloki> maybe it will put itself into place naturally
18:54 <adrianS> skh: I do not want to decide who is allowed to speak for openSUSE.org alone. A committee can help a lot
here
18:54 <henne> adrianS: everybody can speak for openSUSE.org
18:54 <skh> I see the problem that you, and the handful of regulars, often seem inhibited by waiting for something to
happen - a "go" from novell, or something else
18:54 <yaloki> skh: me?
18:54 <cthiel> by the way -- if you are looking at fedora: they were facing the same problem we are facing right now...
they created a foundation, closed it again... and not so much happend in between ;)
18:54 <skh> I'm not sure I completely understand the dynamics.
18:54 <skh> yaloki: yes, sorry.
18:54 <adrianS> henne: not with authorisation
18:55 <ke4qqq> I don't know if a committee solves them, but there does need to leadership, rather than wrangling with
things.....someone has to direct/delegate/coordinate volunteers, and obviously has to have some authority
to do so, as well as liason with novell
18:55 <skh> nobody has to direct volunteers
18:55 <henne> adrianS: for what would you need authorisation?
18:55 <skh> yaloki: I was happy to see the thread you started, and I see the same problems.
18:55 <adrianS> henne: it begins with a @opensuse.org email address, it can open the dialog with other projects
18:55 <yaloki> skh: it's not the 1st time I start a thread like that
18:56 <skh> yaloki: I'm just not sure a committee would help, that's all.
18:56 <ke4qqq> skh: sure they do, otherwise how do they know what is needed. someone has to point out the needs.
18:56 <skh> ke4qqq: self-regulation?
18:56 <skh> where's open source in all this? the scratch your itch thing?
18:56 <yaloki> skh: every opensource project I know has some form of steering
18:56 <adrianS> right
18:57 <yaloki> don't say having some form of structure is against the spirit of OS
18:57 <skh> yes, but not for assigning work
18:57 <WFV> Sounds to me like you want accountable, responsible thought leadership - in the non-technical sense - not a
committee.
18:57 <yaloki> err..OSS
18:57 <henne> yaloki: every opensource project is a piece of software
18:57 <yaloki> skh: no one said it would be assign work
18:57 <ke4qqq> skh: it's a novel concept, and for people who have been around, it works great. but not for growing the
community, new people to the project need to be shown
18:58 <skh> ke4qqq: I don't think so. and even if - what's wrong with asking on a list, and the "elder" members helping
the newer ones?
18:58 <henne> so if that itches you why dont you scratch?
18:58 <skh> why a committee?
18:58 <skh> I think leaders just turn up by acclamation (or self-acclamation)
18:58 <yaloki> s/committee/responsible person per topic/
18:58 <skh> I think we already have a strong !suse leadership on the list.
18:58 <yaloki> or even s/responsible/contact/
18:58 <adrianS> skh: you may want to replace committee with assosiaction ....
18:59 <yaloki> we have no !suse leadership
18:59 <skh> we have thought leaders
18:59 <skh> yaloki, houghi, jdd, pflodin, ....
18:59 <cthiel> + I'd expect a comittee to have some sort of controll over SUSE Linux -- which is very unlikely
18:59 <skh> whether we like it or not.
18:59 <yaloki> erm.. you said "thought"
18:59 <skh> yaloki: what would you want to do what you can't do now?
19:00 <ke4qqq> skh: nothing is wrong with that, but essentially no one is reaching out to the new people. Look at what
happened on the list yesterday, two relatively new people heard about a project in the course of this
discussion, and asked how they could get involved......they had no idea that project existed, no one asked
for help, b/c everyone is scratching their own itches.....
19:00 <skh> ke4qqq: so found opensuse-newbies and help them.
19:00 <yaloki> we'd better found a opensuse-noise list
19:01 <skh> I don't say that the situation can't be improved. I question that you need any kind of official "stamp" on
you forehead to be able to do so.
19:01 * madferret nods at yaloki
19:01 <madferret> skh: Im not aware of any -newbies list for anything
19:01 <skh> I am.
19:01 <yaloki> madferret: ubuntu ;D
19:01 <sarnold> madferret: #kernelnewbies has an associated kernelnewbies mail list
19:01 <madferret> ok, except for kernelnewbies
19:02 <skh> and newchix on linuxchix for linux beginners (both genders ;-))
19:02 <skh> but anyway.
19:02 <yaloki> is that some dating list ? ;P
19:02 <sarnold> yaloki: heh, if you don't value your limbs, perhaps :)
19:02 <noniko> what's criteria between newbie and not?
19:02 <skh> the question is: what keeps people from choosing opensuse to show initiative, start things they want to do?
19:02 <madferret> *8ball is noniko a noob?
19:03 <madferret> !8ball is noniko a noob?
19:03 <SuSEhelp> madferret: Yes.
19:03 <sarnold> noniko: with kernelnewbies it is pretty clear -- _everyone_ is a newbie, because there is simply too much
for any one person to be completely familiar with the entire project
19:03 <madferret> noniko: see? thats easy criteria
19:03 <skh> if it is giving control away from @suse, to !suse people, then we need a way to do that
19:03 <skh> and still a committee is only _one_ way
19:03 <sarnold> noniko: and the kernel is relatively simple in comparison to other projects, so.. draw the necessary
conclusion :)
19:03 <noniko> sorry, I take time reading your messages....
19:03 <madferret> skh: some ppl, all they want is status, they dont want to get things done
19:04 <skh> madferret: true, but I don't see that as a problem here
19:04 <madferret> all theyd like is say "look at me, I have @opensuse email"
19:04 <madferret> skh: I see
19:04 <yaloki> um
19:04 <WFV> yaloki: This might be more productive ... Media pack with: Performance compare, must have features, real
reasons to upgrade / adopt other than geek factor would be great.
19:04 <yaloki> well, I want an @opensuse.org email
19:04 <WFV> I take it the meeting is done?
19:05 <henne> okay i dont think this leads anywere
19:05 <noniko> I finished your messages now. I see.
19:05 <adrianS> yaloki: We need to agree on a process how to grant you one, I agree that we need such a process ...
19:05 <yaloki> adrianS: ok
19:05 <yaloki> adrianS: you think that would be a highly political topic with novell ?
19:06 <adrianS> yaloki: I suppose a @user.opensuse.org address would not fit for you, right ?
19:06 <skh> yaloki: please understand that I agree with your problem description, just not the conclusion
19:06 <adrianS> yaloki: I do not know yet, I hope not
19:06 <wojtek_germ> Sorry for disturbing you. Is this possible to create LVM2 partitions with mini-iso installer?
19:06 <henne> wojtek_germ: later please. were in a meeting
19:06 <skh> (and I don't think @opensuse.org does help unless the core problem is addressed somehow, but wth)
19:07 <_Marcus_> wojtek_germ: or go #suse ;)
19:07 <yaloki> adrianS: well, either we are a community or we aren't, so.. why should you have an @opensuse.org email and
me not ? ;))
19:07 <yaloki> skh: I don't think it's trivial
19:07 <adrianS> yaloki: but it would be way easier for us to do it with some reason, like you are a committee member or
whatever ;)
19:07 <adrianS> yaloki: right, maybe I should not have one either
19:07 <yaloki> I mean, we're part of the opensuse project, why not have an email
19:07 <yaloki> not that I'm keen on collecting even more aliases but..
19:07 <skh> yes, I see it.
19:08 <adrianS> yaloki: however, I think it makes not sense to hand them out to everybody
19:08 <yaloki> adrianS: lol, naaah that's not what I meant lol
19:08 <skh> how does KDE do it?
19:08 <henne> uhm so we are blocking all the future work by some comittee s***t because people want to have a
@opensuse.org email adresss?
19:08 <skh> or any other project which is not handicapped by $company?
19:08 <adrianS> yaloki: but we need to formalize it
19:08 <Beineri> @kde.org for long term contributors, @kdemail.net for everyone
19:08 <cb400f> opensuse-jabber-server would be nice too ...
19:08 <aka_druid_> adrianS: it would make sense if you had a general user.opensuse.org and a opensuse.org, as you
mentioned
19:09 <yaloki> yes, that's a pretty good idea IMO
19:09 * aka_druid_ nods at Beineri
19:09 <adrianS> aka_druid: that is my plan. yes
19:09 <skh> Beineri: and who decides who is a long-term contributor?
19:09 <adrianS> the KDE eV
19:09 * Beineri notes that he has only/automatically a @opensuse.org email adress because it's the same configured as
@suse.de - so it has to not clash with @suse.de email addresses
19:09 <Beineri> skh: sysadmin@kde.org
19:09 <henne> so we not only need a committe but also a club...
19:10 <skh> ;-)
19:10 <aka_druid_> heh
19:10 <henne> guys you cant be serious
19:10 <Beineri> adrianS: no, who is in KDE eV qualifies for @kde.org . but there are also @kde.org addresses who are not
in e.V.
19:10 <skh> henne: the problem is elsewhere. the mail address discussion is just the tip of the iceberg
19:10 <aka_druid_> henne: if theres a reason to do, it can be serious.
19:10 <henne> skh: i know. the proplem is that we are too many users and too less developers/packagers/hackers/whatever
19:11 <yaloki> amongst others, yes
19:11 <henne> to much talking to less walking
19:11 <bgerber> Let's move this to the community list
19:11 <adrianS> Beineri: right, but the setup is wrong, a sysadmin has not to decide about political issues
19:11 * adrianS is also kde sysadmin ...
19:11 <skh> yaloki: to be honest, I think you are already speaking for the opensuse project. As are all the regulars on
the list.
19:11 <Beineri> adrianS: mhm, really?
19:12 <henne> so can we take this discussion to the mailinglist please?
19:12 <yaloki> sure
19:12 <skh> henne: just close the meeting and let the dicussion go on
19:12 <skh> ;-)
19:12 <skh> or do we have other topics?
19:12 <cboltz> Short question about LinuxTag: Will you collect the LinuxTag pictures on gallery.opensuse.org? Having them
on several private pages is a nice and fast workaround, but shouldn't be the final solution ;-)
19:13 <adrianS> Marcus Meissner is working on it
19:13 <cthiel> cboltz: _Marcus_ is taking care of this
19:13 <henne> cboltz: _Marcus_ is working on that already i think
19:13 <cthiel> ;)
19:13 <noniko> Oooo it's 2:00 in the morning in Japan, I'm so sleepy. Sorry to leave and thanks for the discussion. Good
night, bye!
19:13 <henne> okay then lets call it a day
19:14 <cboltz> FYI: todays AIs are:
19:14 <cboltz> - #173961: openSUSE merchandising
19:14 <cboltz> - #173958: LWE San Francisco planning
19:14 <henne> thank you all for participating
19:14 <henne> good night and good luck!
19:14 <bgerber> Did someone capture the presentatiions.? Will they be online to listen to?
19:14 <_Marcus_> yeah.
19:14 <aka_druid_> merchandising? Thats a cool topic, cause I want a Geeko shirt and I dont have one
19:14 <cboltz> I guess the slides will also be uploaded to the wiki?
19:14 <aka_druid_> and when novell bought suse, the suse gears disappeared :/
19:15 <adrianS> bgerber: some got captured, the new talks which were not held somewhere else
19:15 <cb400f> even took the case sticker out of the box set ;)
19:15 <adrianS> bgerber: I need to ask bk to get them ...
19:15 <Beineri> aka_druid: gears? that is KDE :-)
19:15 <aka_druid_> cb400f: and the pin :(
19:16 <yaloki> stopped logging? can we talk freely ? ;)
19:16 <aka_druid_> yaloki: Im always logging heh
19:17 <skh> yaloki: oh, please do.
19:17 * adrianS goes for dinner and tries to work on his mails in the evening ...
19:17 <skh> I will wipe everything below this line personally from the transcript
19:17 <henne> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
19:17 <Beineri> 8<-------------------
19:17 <yaloki> ^^ the wipe line ;)
19:17 <Beineri> ^ the scissor
19:17 <cboltz> OK, then I can go to dinner now ;-)